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		<title>Comment on Is Getting To heaven really God’s Main Goal For Christians by bill</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 01:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>motivation NO but the fact that Jesus came and died for me does motivate me to honor what He says in His word. Many think of heaven as a reward like candy. I believe heaven is a way God uses to glorify Himself so there won&#039;t be a reward but the glory of God might me manifested in us to show who He is.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>motivation NO but the fact that Jesus came and died for me does motivate me to honor what He says in His word. Many think of heaven as a reward like candy. I believe heaven is a way God uses to glorify Himself so there won&#8217;t be a reward but the glory of God might me manifested in us to show who He is.<br />
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on MDR by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Guy. Your study and convictions pretty much line up with mine concerning MDR. So you&#039;re not alone.

And speaking to Erin, I don&#039;t and God certainly doesn&#039;t expect lost people to understand what marriage is and live it out. He gave it to us for our protection and divorce is unfortunately going to happen because the hardness of our hearts. However, Christians are expected to hold to the lifelong standard of commitment. Divorced people can remarry, however a lot of wisdom must be involved in the process, including the person&#039;s marital state at the time they were saved, the status of their ex-spouse, and the person&#039;s recovery and healing from the previous relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Guy. Your study and convictions pretty much line up with mine concerning MDR. So you&#8217;re not alone.</p>
<p>And speaking to Erin, I don&#8217;t and God certainly doesn&#8217;t expect lost people to understand what marriage is and live it out. He gave it to us for our protection and divorce is unfortunately going to happen because the hardness of our hearts. However, Christians are expected to hold to the lifelong standard of commitment. Divorced people can remarry, however a lot of wisdom must be involved in the process, including the person&#8217;s marital state at the time they were saved, the status of their ex-spouse, and the person&#8217;s recovery and healing from the previous relationship.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on MDR by sobern90</title>
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		<dc:creator>sobern90</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not asking anyone to agree with me.  I am asking for common since to be applied to this topic.  If the ridged view of today’s church is taken strictly from Matthew 19:9 then most of the New Testament is left in doubt and question because Paul would be a liar with what he wrote in 1 Cor. 7:8-9, 1 Cor. 7:27-28 and also 1 Tim. 1-3 concerning the divorced person.

We as Christians cannot have it both ways.  Either a divorced person can remarry or they cannot.  The Apostle Paul, writing by the authority and power of God’s own Spirit says they can. 

It is not I old school people are disagreeing on this topic but the Bible its self you are having your struggle with because I just presented the passages in chronological order for all to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not asking anyone to agree with me.  I am asking for common since to be applied to this topic.  If the ridged view of today’s church is taken strictly from Matthew 19:9 then most of the New Testament is left in doubt and question because Paul would be a liar with what he wrote in 1 Cor. 7:8-9, 1 Cor. 7:27-28 and also 1 Tim. 1-3 concerning the divorced person.</p>
<p>We as Christians cannot have it both ways.  Either a divorced person can remarry or they cannot.  The Apostle Paul, writing by the authority and power of God’s own Spirit says they can. </p>
<p>It is not I old school people are disagreeing on this topic but the Bible its self you are having your struggle with because I just presented the passages in chronological order for all to read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on MDR by sobern90</title>
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		<dc:creator>sobern90</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For everyone who only skims over my first post I submit this for your consideration.

Please do not eagerly accept teaching based off mankind’s opinion rather look at the scriptures with an open heart and eyes.  To base an opinion on MDR without looking at all the scriptures or discounting some to fit a church preconceived ideal of restriction and restitution on other people is wrong.  

God never made such rules within the New Church and New Covenant and we should not either.  

God spoke through Paul, and said that people who forbid marriage depart have departed the faith, give heed to deceiving spirits and practice the doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron.  (1 Tim 4:1-5)

I would rather look at all the scriptures God has provided and not just pick the ones I want to fit ideas I was told all of my life.  

Some man made facts to consider:

1.	The New Testament never EVER speaks of scriptural or unscriptural marriage.  This is mankind’s restriction not Gods.

2.	The New Testament never EVER requires remarried divorced people to DIVORCE yet again.  This is mankind’s restriction not Gods.

3.	The New Testament never EVER requires remarried people to DIVORCE a PRESENT spouse and return to a PRIOR spouse.  This is  mankind’s restriction not Gods.

4.	The New Testament never EVER talks about INICENT party concerning divorce.  This is mankind’s restriction not Gods.

5.	The New Testament never EVER requires a Pre-Baptism qualification test covering present marriage or prior marriages or divorce.  This is mankind’s restriction not Gods.

6.   The issue of MDR was never a true concern in the churches of Christ until the topic appeared in the Gospel Advocate and Firm Foundation church wettings.  If you take those same articles and check the keynote points mad with the official Sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church you will find that they are exactly the same.  Therefore, the churches of Christ formed their rules concerning marriage, divorce and remarriage based upon Catholicism and not scripture.

Some more important and true Biblical facts to consider:

1.	God hates ALL divorce period.

2.	To break an agreement or vow (covenant) is a sin in God’s eyes period.

3.	Like it or not, in a divorce, both the husband and the wife break the covenant of marriage concerning their vows to each other.  (Till death we do part, for sickness and health, for richer or poorer, etc…) when they each agree to the conditions of the divorce.

4.	God’s ideal is for one man and one woman in one marriage for one lifetime.

5.	God, Himself, told, directed, allowed and authorized Moses to require a letter of divorce when a marriage ends.  We know this because the Old Testament says that the only disobedience to God that Moses ever did was hit the rock instead of speaking to it.  

6.	All sins are forgivable by God including divorce (adultery in this case) and God remembers them no more:  Period.

7.	The Bible tells us to trust God and not men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For everyone who only skims over my first post I submit this for your consideration.</p>
<p>Please do not eagerly accept teaching based off mankind’s opinion rather look at the scriptures with an open heart and eyes.  To base an opinion on MDR without looking at all the scriptures or discounting some to fit a church preconceived ideal of restriction and restitution on other people is wrong.  </p>
<p>God never made such rules within the New Church and New Covenant and we should not either.  </p>
<p>God spoke through Paul, and said that people who forbid marriage depart have departed the faith, give heed to deceiving spirits and practice the doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron.  (1 Tim 4:1-5)</p>
<p>I would rather look at all the scriptures God has provided and not just pick the ones I want to fit ideas I was told all of my life.  </p>
<p>Some man made facts to consider:</p>
<p>1.	The New Testament never EVER speaks of scriptural or unscriptural marriage.  This is mankind’s restriction not Gods.</p>
<p>2.	The New Testament never EVER requires remarried divorced people to DIVORCE yet again.  This is mankind’s restriction not Gods.</p>
<p>3.	The New Testament never EVER requires remarried people to DIVORCE a PRESENT spouse and return to a PRIOR spouse.  This is  mankind’s restriction not Gods.</p>
<p>4.	The New Testament never EVER talks about INICENT party concerning divorce.  This is mankind’s restriction not Gods.</p>
<p>5.	The New Testament never EVER requires a Pre-Baptism qualification test covering present marriage or prior marriages or divorce.  This is mankind’s restriction not Gods.</p>
<p>6.   The issue of MDR was never a true concern in the churches of Christ until the topic appeared in the Gospel Advocate and Firm Foundation church wettings.  If you take those same articles and check the keynote points mad with the official Sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church you will find that they are exactly the same.  Therefore, the churches of Christ formed their rules concerning marriage, divorce and remarriage based upon Catholicism and not scripture.</p>
<p>Some more important and true Biblical facts to consider:</p>
<p>1.	God hates ALL divorce period.</p>
<p>2.	To break an agreement or vow (covenant) is a sin in God’s eyes period.</p>
<p>3.	Like it or not, in a divorce, both the husband and the wife break the covenant of marriage concerning their vows to each other.  (Till death we do part, for sickness and health, for richer or poorer, etc…) when they each agree to the conditions of the divorce.</p>
<p>4.	God’s ideal is for one man and one woman in one marriage for one lifetime.</p>
<p>5.	God, Himself, told, directed, allowed and authorized Moses to require a letter of divorce when a marriage ends.  We know this because the Old Testament says that the only disobedience to God that Moses ever did was hit the rock instead of speaking to it.  </p>
<p>6.	All sins are forgivable by God including divorce (adultery in this case) and God remembers them no more:  Period.</p>
<p>7.	The Bible tells us to trust God and not men.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on MDR by sobern90</title>
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		<dc:creator>sobern90</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin, (if that really is your name) It is clear that you did not read my post at all.  You skimmed over it maybe.  You seem so willing to eagerly be one of those people Paul talks about in 1Tim 4:1-5 by making an opinion concerning MDR without looking at all the scriptures or discounting some to fit your own preconceived ideals of restriction and restitution on other people.  God never made such rules within the New Church and New Covenant.  

In all of your post on the websites you have baring people from marriage none address what Paul had to say in 1Tim 4:1-5 or 1Cor 7:27-28 much less the Biblical fact that once a sin has been repented of there is no more sin in the eyes of God because God no longer remembers it.  Only mankind remembers wrongs of others.  Not God.

If you are going to dedicate so much of your opinion to MDR on websites you make and post, then you should at least study scripture for what IT says and not so you can defend your OPPINION of what scripture DOES NOT say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin, (if that really is your name) It is clear that you did not read my post at all.  You skimmed over it maybe.  You seem so willing to eagerly be one of those people Paul talks about in 1Tim 4:1-5 by making an opinion concerning MDR without looking at all the scriptures or discounting some to fit your own preconceived ideals of restriction and restitution on other people.  God never made such rules within the New Church and New Covenant.  </p>
<p>In all of your post on the websites you have baring people from marriage none address what Paul had to say in 1Tim 4:1-5 or 1Cor 7:27-28 much less the Biblical fact that once a sin has been repented of there is no more sin in the eyes of God because God no longer remembers it.  Only mankind remembers wrongs of others.  Not God.</p>
<p>If you are going to dedicate so much of your opinion to MDR on websites you make and post, then you should at least study scripture for what IT says and not so you can defend your OPPINION of what scripture DOES NOT say.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thoughts on MDR by Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage is a &quot;Covenant for Life&quot;!

Why is something that God hates (divorce) so prevalent in our society today?

It is because people today do not know what the Bible says about marriage, divorce and remarriage.

&quot;Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.&quot;  —Jesus Christ

Because remarrying after a divorce constitutes adultery, we must ask ourselves who are we committing adultery against if we are no longer married? If a divorce makes us single why are we committing adultery AFTER a divorce and if we have no spouse AFTER a divorce then who are we committing adultery against? 

The answer would have to be that it is against the one from whom we are divorced. This would mean that a divorce does not dissolve the marriage bond if we can still commit adultery AFTER the civil court proclaims that they have dissolved our marriage. 

If divorce truly ended marriage, it would be impossible to commit adultery AFTER divorcing. The fact that Jesus Himself says that the adultery kicks in AFTER a divorce must mean that divorce is powerless to actually end the marriage covenant that God has said is for life.

&quot;A wife is married to her husband as long as he lives.&quot;         1 Corinthians 7:39 

Many, many people today are deceived.  

If a divorce makes us single, why are we then committing adultery while on a honeymoon with a new partner AFTER a divorce? 

People don’t get it, the divorce didn’t work...Jesus said so.

Divorced people are off limits, they are still bound to another.  If you touch them you will be committing adultery, as stated by Jesus.

The civil court may declare someone’s marriage dissolved but Jesus does not agree with the civil court.  He goes by a higher court...Luke16:18

&quot;A wife is married to her husband as long as he lives.&quot;         1 Corinthians 7:39 

http://www.cadz.net/tony.html   

http://www.cadz.net/remarriage.html  

http://www.marriagedivorce.com/mdreform2.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage is a &#8220;Covenant for Life&#8221;!</p>
<p>Why is something that God hates (divorce) so prevalent in our society today?</p>
<p>It is because people today do not know what the Bible says about marriage, divorce and remarriage.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.&#8221;  —Jesus Christ</p>
<p>Because remarrying after a divorce constitutes adultery, we must ask ourselves who are we committing adultery against if we are no longer married? If a divorce makes us single why are we committing adultery AFTER a divorce and if we have no spouse AFTER a divorce then who are we committing adultery against? </p>
<p>The answer would have to be that it is against the one from whom we are divorced. This would mean that a divorce does not dissolve the marriage bond if we can still commit adultery AFTER the civil court proclaims that they have dissolved our marriage. </p>
<p>If divorce truly ended marriage, it would be impossible to commit adultery AFTER divorcing. The fact that Jesus Himself says that the adultery kicks in AFTER a divorce must mean that divorce is powerless to actually end the marriage covenant that God has said is for life.</p>
<p>&#8220;A wife is married to her husband as long as he lives.&#8221;         1 Corinthians 7:39 </p>
<p>Many, many people today are deceived.  </p>
<p>If a divorce makes us single, why are we then committing adultery while on a honeymoon with a new partner AFTER a divorce? </p>
<p>People don’t get it, the divorce didn’t work&#8230;Jesus said so.</p>
<p>Divorced people are off limits, they are still bound to another.  If you touch them you will be committing adultery, as stated by Jesus.</p>
<p>The civil court may declare someone’s marriage dissolved but Jesus does not agree with the civil court.  He goes by a higher court&#8230;Luke16:18</p>
<p>&#8220;A wife is married to her husband as long as he lives.&#8221;         1 Corinthians 7:39 </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cadz.net/tony.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cadz.net/tony.html</a>   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cadz.net/remarriage.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cadz.net/remarriage.html</a>  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.marriagedivorce.com/mdreform2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.marriagedivorce.com/mdreform2.htm</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Getting To heaven really God’s Main Goal For Christians by JimmyBean</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimmyBean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know If I said it already but ...Great site...keep up the good work. :) I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I&#039;m glad I found your blog.  Thanks, :)

A definite great read..Jim Bean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know If I said it already but &#8230;Great site&#8230;keep up the good work. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I&#8217;m glad I found your blog.  Thanks, <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A definite great read..Jim Bean</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Getting To heaven really God’s Main Goal For Christians by Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite simply, as Genesis 15:1 states, God is our reward, for both now our time on earth and with him in eternity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite simply, as Genesis 15:1 states, God is our reward, for both now our time on earth and with him in eternity.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know If I said it already but ...Great site...keep up the good work. :) I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I&#039;m glad I found your blog.  Thanks, :)

A definite great read..Tony Brown</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know If I said it already but &#8230;Great site&#8230;keep up the good work. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I&#8217;m glad I found your blog.  Thanks, <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>A definite great read..Tony Brown</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Getting To heaven really God’s Main Goal For Christians by Jere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Thoughts.  Maybe it is a chicken/egg thing. What comes first a desire to please God or a desire to go to heaven.  If going to heaven is truly your only goal you are going to try to please God so it becomes an attitude thing-- I am going to do my best to be in image of Christ to please Him and go to heaven.  

I found a defination of love I thought was good. &quot;Love means you care for anothers person&#039;s well being more than your own, no matter how painful the choices you make&quot;  When you think about the love Christ had for us it fits and this is the love I am to copy.   J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Thoughts.  Maybe it is a chicken/egg thing. What comes first a desire to please God or a desire to go to heaven.  If going to heaven is truly your only goal you are going to try to please God so it becomes an attitude thing&#8211; I am going to do my best to be in image of Christ to please Him and go to heaven.  </p>
<p>I found a defination of love I thought was good. &#8220;Love means you care for anothers person&#8217;s well being more than your own, no matter how painful the choices you make&#8221;  When you think about the love Christ had for us it fits and this is the love I am to copy.   J.</p>
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